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Juuitchan wrote:

> It doesn't make sense to me that Jesus could die for my sins. My logic
> is the same logic that says that if I need a root canal, you can't go
> to the dentist in my place.

The problem of sin and the problem of bad teeth aren't the same problem.
The problem of satisfying God's justice isn't the same as solving a
dental problem. One is forensic, the other is physical.

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Hi Loren:
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> Gary wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you read Warfield's "Biblical Doctrines?"
> > > >
> > > > The page numbers of my copy are from "Biblical and
> > > > Theologica Studies" P&R, 1968.
> >
> > >
> > > > Chapter XI. starts on page 270, and my first comment
> > > > is on page 272, where he makes the outrageous statement,
> > > > "[He-God] creates the very thoughts and intents of the soul."
> > > >
> > > I cannot find this quotation so as to read the context. Can you place
> > > in one of the five divisions which I have listed above?
> >
> > The quote is on page 9, near the end of the page, line 10 from
> > the bottom of the page, to be exact.
> >
> Quote:
>
> It is He that leads the feet of men, wit they whither r not; HE that
> raises up and casts down; opens and hardens the heart' and CREATES
> THE VERY THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF THE SOUL.
> So poignant is the sense of His
> activity in all that occurs, that an appearance is sometimes created as
> if everything that comes to pass were so ascribed to His immediate
> production as to exclude the real activity of second causes. It is a
> grave mistake, nevertheless, to suppose that He is conceived as an
> unseen power, throwing up, in a quasi-Pantheistic sense, all changes on
> the face of the world and history. The virile sense of the free
> personality of God which domintes all the thought of the OT would alone
> have precluded such a conception. Nor is there relly any lack of
> recognition of 'second causes,' as we call them. Thy are certainly not
> conceived as independent of God: they are rather the mere expression of
> His stated will." pp 9-10
>
> "second causes." Even the WCF acknowledges this.
>
> What Warfield writes is not some bare rationalism. Did you actually
> study what he has written in these 60 odd pages. I mean, did you take
> the time to look up each and every scriptural reference, even dusting
> off the TDNT to look at word usage?

Gary: I don't believe that is necessary. I emphasized the