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In article <088.57.10.05.274632000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
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>>Smoke goes up by itself.
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>huh? No it doesn't. Personification?

No, it is not 'personification'. Why do you JWs keep seeing 'personification'
under every bed? Is it because you are as driven by fallacy as the McCarthyite
Red-baiters, who kept seeing reds under every bed?


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Subudcat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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"entropy" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote...
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> > wrote in message
> > > So reading
> > > your bible, though very admirable, is not enough. One must have true
> > > faith, believing Christ is God and that the Holy Spirit is God as
well,
> > > instructing us in the truth of His revelation. Without the Spirit,
you
> > > are only capacitated to humanistically reason what this or that
passage
> > > speaks of. Word & the Spirit. You must have both or you have nothing
> > > at all.
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> > One must not only read the Bible, one must believe it to be saved.
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> That is not Scriptural. What the Bible says is that belief in Christ
> is saving, not belief in the Bible per se.
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> John 3:16

I agree.

But we need to realize that "salvation" is used in more than one way
in Scripture. One can be "saved" from shipwreck, saved from sickness,
saved from physical death, saved from all kinds of error, and other things.

What John 3:16 refers to is salvation from sin.

If people believe Scripture they are saved from all sorts of error.

Further, as Christ said,
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote
of me.

Thus we see that a believing of the Bible in general has some relationship
to
believing in Christ and what He said.

Gary






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nnalyd@yahoo.com wrote:


> I wrote:
> Ignatius calls Almighty God "the only true God, the unbegotten and
> unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the
> only-begotten Son," showing the distinction between God and His Son.
> He speaks of "God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." And he
> declares: