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In article <72AAB2A7-A938-DA89-8982-87C6944366BE@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard
says...
>
>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>
>>>> But the free will is there, and obvious for all but the
>>>> blind.
>>
>>>Really? Where does it say that the believer does so
>>>because he made a choice to? It doesn't. In fact,
>>>in Greek the phrase is indicative. It's not a cause/
>>>effect phrase, but a "this is the state of things"
>>>phrase.
>>
>> This is a glaring example of your ignorance of the way Scripture uses
>> language. Grammatically, it is a "state of things" phrase, but this
>> does NOT give you the right to jump to the conclusion you jump to.
>
>I'm not making conclusions here,

Yes, you are. You are jumping to the conclusion that Mark 16:16 has nothing to
do with free will.

> but rather gainsaying Gary's.

And your not doing that very well either.

>He's the one reading something into the passage which isn't there.

No, he is not.

>You, inadvertantly, back me up by also saying that it isn't there.

No, I am not backing you up. That you should claim I have is truly amazing. It
was YOU, not Gary, who claimed that Mark 16:16 has nothing to do with free will,
and it was YOU, not Gary, who tried to claim that this follows from the use of
the indicative in Mark 16:16. But it does not follow.

>Gary should take note.

Practice what you preach. YOU take note.

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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)


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Matthew Johnson wrote:

>
> No. The warning in Revelation applies ONLY to the Book of Revelation.
There is
> no sound reason for claiming that it applies to the whole Bible,
since it was an
> independent volume at the time.
>
And this is why you do not correctly interpret the book. It is in
everyway dependent upon the previous 65 books of the Bible, especially
on the Jewish testament prophetic passages but equally on the NT
prophetic passages. No, it is nothing short of a Divine affirmation
that the covers of canon are inspired and new revelation is closed
until the 2nd Advent. The testimony of the 2 witnesses and the 144,000
is not new, but a reiteration of the gospel message. There is no need
of anything further. Enough there is to come to saving faith if one
but believes.

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