"Gary" writes:
>"Stephen M. Adams" wrote:
>>
>> Except that the Scripture itself says that the *oral* teachings are
>> not only valid, but gives them primacy AND insists that they be passed
>> on. THAT is what Holy Tradition is (in brief, anyway).
>
>The dawn has come!
>
>What Matthew and Steve are saying is that ORAL teachings are
>primary [they have the PRIMACY], (by them only can the
>written Scripture be understood correctly), and further
>(what just dawned on me) is that this ORAL
>teaching (only by which a correct understanding of the rest of
>Scripture is possible) are the "Holy Tradition" which is found ONLY
>in the Orthodox Church!
Let me correct one thing - I meant that Paul was giving primacy to his
oral teaching by insisting that his writings were just as valid. And
from this, we know, then, that oral teachings ARE valid.
Holy Tradition encompasses the entirety of the teachings of the Apostles,
both orally and through Scripture.
>Boy have I been dense!
>
>Thus the ONLY way to understand the Scripture correctly is to
>submit to the Orthodox Church and their teachings.
Absolutely. We know from the scriptures that there is no personal
interpretation, that the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth
and that the Apostles taught faithful men who taught other faithful
men, down to this present day.
The ONLY valid context for the Scriptures is the Orthodox Church. They
were collected, preserved and transmitted by her, and she has the authority
of the Apostles being 'faithful' to the traditions passed down by faithful
men.
-Stephen
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James wrote:
> >
> > As I was reading 2 John the other day ,
> ---------------------------
> > 2 John Chapter 1 verse 9 (NIV)
> > "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of
> > Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has
both
> > the Father and the Son."
> >
> One can find the 'once saved always saved' situation in the Bible if
> they look for it, and ignore the other scriptures.
>
And those who argue against it fail to read either 1 Jn or 2 Jn in the
Greek to understand the nature of John's points. It's much like
reading Jn 21:15ff in the English and not realizing the Gr
