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> Gary wrote:
>
> (Responding to Bart, debating whether regeneration logically
> follows faith or logically preceeds faith.)
>
> > ... If you are correct, cite a Scripture which gives
> > your order of faith through life.
> >
> > That God gives life, resulting in faith.
>
> Three passages which broadly support the view that regeneration
> logically preceeds faith:
None of your passages have any Scriptural structure
such as "through," "unto," etc.
>
> Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you,
> unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom
> of God." John 3:3 (ESV)
One does not have to see a kingdom to want to enter
it. You have not seen heaven, but want to go there.
> Jesus says regeneration (being born again) is logically prior
> to seeing the kingdom of God, that is, seeing the truthes of
> the gospel by faith.
No, you are eisegeting, not exegeting. It is YOU who
add the words "seeing the truths of the gospel by
faith." This is pure eisegesis. The words are not
there! And certainly the idea cannot be there
for Scripture does not contradict Scripture,
and Scripture states that life, becoming a
child of God, eternal life, come through
faith.
And He states very clearly that it is ONLY TO THOSE
who have ALREADY believed that the power or authority
to BECOME children of God is given! ( John 1:12 Yet to all who
received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the
right to become children of God-)
Further, the inductive evidence is abundant that the
Calvinistic position is false.
Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear;
then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word
out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Which statement is clearly impossible under Calvinism.
For no one, under Calvinism, can possibly believe and
be saved, until God first regenerates them, and then
they must be saved.
And another inductive statement which contradicts
Calvinism:
Matthew 11:21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the
mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they
would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Which predicates repentence upon seeing mighty works.
But Calvinism states that it is is impossible for man to
repent under such external dealings.
> But God, being rich in mercy, ... made us alive
> together with Christ--by grace you have been saved--
> and raised us up with him ...For by grace you have
> been saved through faith. And this is not yo
