Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article , Tracy Hall
says...
>
> >
> >However, in teaching our need for Christ's atonement, Paul taught
that
> >all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10, 23; 5:12).
>
> But who _as_ this 'all' he referred to? Please pay more attention to
the
> original context of the passages Paul cited.
Context?
1:19-1:32 Gentile -condemned
2:1-29 Jew -condemned
conclusion:
3:10-18 all men -condemned
Context of 3:23 - all men fell in Adam
"death spread to all men because all sinned" (5:12)
BTW, "sinned" is active, not passive.
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wrote:
> Bob Felts wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Your "god" has no basis for "love." Love require interpersonal
> > > relationships.
> >
> > Does it? Does the Scripture not say that we are to love ourselves? Love
> > of self, while personal, doesn't seem to me to fit the definition of
> > interpersonal.
> >
> > If this is true, then the same can be said of a monolithic god. Right?
> >
> "If" is the correct way of answering. It is interesting that this phrase
> is quoted 7 times in the NT. "You shall agape your neighbor as your
> self."
>
> I think it pertainent to note that a counselor must know the telos of
> every passage that he uses in counseling. It is not enough to understand
> the grammatical-historical, biblical-theological or systematic, and
> rhetorical aspects of a passage. These are essential, and I should be the
> last one to say anything to undermine such work, for each of these
> elements plays a vital part in biblical exegesis. Yet it is possible to
> have all of these matters in mind in exegesis and still misuse a portion
> of Scripture in preaching or counseling. Thus, the story of the Seeking
> Father and the Pouting Elder Brother instead becomes the Parable of the
> Prodigal Son. More to the point, the two commandments to love God and
> neighbor are psychologized by those who want to add to them a 3rd
> commandment, "love yourself," which they then make basic to the other two,
> in spite of the fact that this is a thought repugnant to the entire Bible,
> and the clear statement of Christ that he is speaking of two commandments
> only, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Huh? The second commandment is from Lev 19:18, "you shall love your
neighbor as yourself". How can this be fulfilled if you cannot love
yourself?
>
> "Love of self" therefo
