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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > news:125.54.21.05.943937000@srcbs.org...
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary McNees wrote:
> > >
> > > > Bob Felts wrote:
> > > > > Gary McNees wrote:
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> > > > > [...]
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> > > > >>No it is not. I deny all five points of TULIP and Arminianism.
Both
> > > > >>yours and theirs are not Scriptural.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then what are you left with?
> > > > See if you can figure it out.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What I think about what you think isn't relevant. I want you state it
> > > yourself, so that there is no question about whether or not I got it
> > > right.
> >
> > I believe what God says in the Scriptures.
> > I do not take hundreds or thousands of verses and try to twist them
> > to say the OPPOSITE of what they say.
> >
> > To begin with, consider the T in TULIP.
> >
> > I don't recall anyone answering this previously, so again,
> > explain how the story of Cornelius fits in with you "Total Depravity."
> >
> > I am waiting. Specifically tell me how an unregenerate man, Cornelius,
> > can pray to God and God answer his prayers.
> >
>
> Trivially easy. 1) Total depravity does not mean that unregenerate man
> cannot pray. I prayed before I became a believer, although I certainly
> prayed amiss. 2) God answers the prayers from whoever He desires.
>
Then you depart from historical Calvinism which states that unregenerate man
will never seek God, by prayer or any other means. For Cornelius to pray to
God he must have had faith in God. Not saving faith, but faith nevertheless.
The knowledge he needed
to know was presented to him by Peter in the Gospel.

Cornelius is a very good example of how a person is saved. When Cornelius
HEARD the word of the Gospel preached he believed and was saved.

Gary


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tuppence wrote:
> In post > 363869767A69@srcbs.org> Bart whines:
>


> I suggested you read the eleventh chapter of Hebrews.
>
> You say:
> "Conviction of things seen is not faith...So if you've
> _seen_ something, your conviction of it is not faith."
>
> Hebrews 11:13 says:
> "These all died in faith, not having received the
> promises, but having _seen_ them afar off, and
> were persuaded of